Idris’s (as) Identity Through History
Hermes Trismegistus, who Islamic scholars wrote was Idris (as), came to be the Greek god Hermes and the Egyptian god Thoth, later like all Egyptian historical figures he was deified by the Egyptians and everything Allah granted to Idris (as) like being the first to invent writing was attributed to him.
“Thoth’s chief temple was located in the city of Ancient Egyptian “Khemenu”, which was known as Hermou polis “The City of Hermes.”
“Thoth’s roles in Egyptian mythology were many. He served as scribe of the gods, credited with the invention of writing, He was the master of both physical and moral (divine) law, He is credited with making the calculations for the establishment of the heavens, stars, Earth (the calendar and calculations of movement of the celestial bodies), and everything in them.”
“The Egyptians credited him as the author of all works of science, religion, philosophy, and magic. The Greeks further declared him the inventor of astronomy, astrology, the science of numbers, mathematics, geometry, surveying, medicine, botany, theology, civilized government, the alphabet, reading, writing, and oratory.”
Rasul Allah was the opener of knowledge for the modern world, He (saws) was taken on a miraj of the heavens and was shown Allah’s greatest signs, sciences, He (saws) then said “I was given the keys to all things.” Idris (as) was similarly taken on a miraj of the universe and taught about all things in it, to the Ancient man who first appeared on earth Idris (as) was the opener of knowledge for all ancient civilisations, in fact it was in His time the first cities began to be built by his people, as Imam Tabari records.
Since the Greeks took their religion from the Egyptians and the fact Thoth lived after the flood of Noah (as) we know these two figures in history, the Egyptian and Greek gods are not Idris (as).
Thoth was the first priest of Egypt they “claimed he was the true author of every work of every branch of knowledge, human and divine.”
“The Egyptians stored many texts, on a wide range of subjects, in “Houses of Life”, the libraries contained within temple complexes. Many of these texts were said to be his work. The Egyptian historian Manetho said that Thoth wrote 36,525 books.” (short works a few pages long).
“Translation from Egyptian language and concepts to Greek language and concepts was not entirely accurate and some of the Egyptian authenticity was lost. Among the subjects they cover are hymns, rituals, temple construction, astrology, geography, and medicine.”
When we say Atlantian we do not intend the high fantasy account people have come to believe but the primitive civilisation at the dawn of man that was more advanced than others at the time because they followed the teachings of Idris (as), some of which we quoted earlier in this work most of which made it to Egypt, it gave them an understanding of the universe that allowed them to manipulate its forces well enough to challenge a Musa (as) and what Allah gave him (as) which is mentioned in the Quran.
History became legend and Legend became myth, this could not be truer than the fact the Greeks took the history and knowledge of the Egyptians and began to deify the rulers of Atlantis such Poseidon their first ruler and Atlas after who the land is named (Atlantis = the land of Atlas).
Greek society degenerated so much they eventually began to deify their own rulers, it no longer mattered to them who they prostrated to, each city state had its own god king, these are the people the Romans took this tradition from as they conquered them, most famously seen in the deification of Caesar after his death, it is not surprising that not long after this the next in line to be deified and the last among the Roman people was Jesus (as).
مَّا لَهُم بِهِ مِنْ عِلْمٍ وَلَا لِآبَائِهِمْ كَبُرَتْ كَلِمَةً تَخْرُجُ مِنْ أَفْوَاهِهِمْ إِن يَقُولُونَ إِلَّا كَذِبًا
“No knowledge whatever have they of Him, and neither had their forefathers: dreadful -is this “axiom” that comes out of their mouths, [and] nothing but falsehood do they utter!” (18:5)
The first ruler of the Mauritanian people was called Atlas, I think that alone takes all the fantasy and myth away from it, this is also an Islamic land which historically just of their coast is where scholars searched for this submerged portion of their land that the city was located upon.
The Egyptian people are known to be fabricators of religion for their own gains, seen most famously in the story of Musa (as) and Pharaoh, and in their rulers habitually deifying themselves one after the other each trying to outdo the former to prove himself to his people.
Hence you find ancient truth mixed in with their lies to promote themselves in the eyes of the public. Their society contains such remarkable truths because its origins are the prophets of Allah.
Many parts of the Quran speak about knowledge that Allah gave to previous prophets, Allah also mentions some of the knowledge He gave to Idris (as), alluding to the height of the subjects understanding by using a word for subatomic space from the language of the Egyptian people who first mastered this subject among all the ancient civilisations.
Remember before the flood Idris (as) migrated with His (as) people from Iraq to Egypt and settled there and among the many ancient works that mention subatomic space the picture with the Egyptian people is the most complete we have seen after the words of the prophets.
This should not surprise people since they where masters of the occult studying and developing new methods in it, sihr is just the manipulation of subatomic space, its particles and forces, hence they had clear cause to develop their ideas and understanding, Allah mentions their efforts in the Quran in the story of Musa (as).
It is in this respect that I think the figure of Thoth and his works are related to Idris (as), using the knowledge of the prophet (as) who lived long before Him by at least 1600 years, which is the time between Idris (as) and the event of the flood in Noah’s life (as).
Idris (as) was known as Hermes which means “boundary marker” and people dedicated them to Hermes the greek god of travellers, (spiritual seekers).”
Compare Thoth’s words with those of Idris (as) and you will find the words of Thoth are filled with self-interest and promotion, Thoth in his works which scholars claim are later fabrications speaks like an Egyptian Pharaoh while Hermes, seen in his work above, speaks like a Prophet.
The Egyptians often displayed the knowledge they gained from Idris (as) in their understanding of the universe, speaking about things like the primordial water mentioned in the Quran, and Nun (space) mentioned in surah Al Qalam (68), a term for space that is taken directly from the Ancient Egyptian language by Allah who sometimes used words from another language to tie a subject to that origin, although rare (the Prophet (saws) describes what Nun is in ahadith and Egyptian texts are the only place space is called Nun in the same manner also mentioning the primordial waters).
Here is one famous example of the word being used, Egyptians used to invoke the power god into themselves, a kind of tabaruk, with the following words:
“I am one with Atum (god) when he still floated alone in Nun (subatomic space), the waters of chaos (the primordial water, Allah placed his throne above the water), before any of his strength had gone into creating the cosmos (Universe). I am Atum (god) at his most inexhaustible – the potence and potential of all that is to be. This is my magic protection (for people) and its (origin is) older and greater than all the (lessor) gods (other Pharaohs) together!” (They were trying to empower themselves with Baraka like the prophets so they could protect their people, this passage is taken from the Egyptian Book of The Dead).
The Egyptians understood the universe was created by the same power behind magic, they did not mean sihr here, this is their way of labelling subatomic forces in their tongue which are responsible for all sihr and baraka alike as well as everything in the universe, Idris (as) explains this in the emerald tablet we quoted above:
“Its (subatomic) force is above all (physical) force. For it vanquishes every subtle thing (subatomic particle, Allah uses the same word Latif in the Quran for everything subatomic) & penetrates every solid thing (subatomic forces manipulate subatomic particles and these particles and forces pass through all solid objects).”
“So was the world created (from this).”
“From this are & do come admirable adaptations (all things, good, evil, sihr, baraka, life etc).”
These words of Idris (as) are among the highest words spoken by man; “Its force is above all force. For it vanquishes every subtle thing & penetrates every solid thing”, the prophet (as) understood Allah gave Him (as) light and here He (as) is describing its nature from what He (as) saw in it.
The reality of these words is a description of the prophetic light He (as) was given to see things by. The light of prophethood is a special light that encompasses the complete reality of what it is shining upon. This is because Allah created the universe and all things in it from the light (particles) of prophethood so it among all lights (particles) has the ability to penetrate all things to the stuff they are created from and see their complete picture (the reality of its existence) and give the prophet knowledge regarding them.
The prophet (saws) said “O Jabir, the first thing Allah created was the light of your Prophet from His light (His face, this second statement is metaphor).”
The prophet (saws) said through metaphors desert Arabs could understand: “Allah created Nun (outer most part of subatomic space) above the waters (the subatomic depths), and He pressed the earth into its back” (waters here is a simile for a deep ocean of particles, not the primordial water because Nun is singled out and the primordial waters is a region near the Arsh).
The earth literally bends the matter of space around it and this is how the earth is “pressed” into space concentrating the force of gravity with its Mass until gravity accelerates objects on earth at 9.81 m/s to its centre. We know water here refers to subatomic depth rather than the primordial water because Rasul Allah (saws) uses multiple analogies to explain the universe to desert Arabs, in another Hadith He (saws) explains the earth in term of a fish swimming in an ocean (space) so they can understand what space looks like.
One of the companions of the prophet (saws) explained the prophet’s words, Ibn Abbas (as) said, “Indeed the earths (planets of space) are on the back of a fish (floating/swimming), and the fish is in the sea” (space).
If you know that the person in front of you is speaking in metaphor you clearly know he does not mean an actual fish, the Arabs where master poets, this is the kind of context in ahadith we lost through history, Ibn Abbas (ra) was a Mufasir of the Quran.
Ibn Abbas (as) said the prophet (saws) said, (regarding the first stages of creation before even subatomic space was created) “… Allah then lifted up the water vapour (primordial water, waters of chaos in the Egyptian text, the sea of first particles to exist) and split the heavens off from it (this means subatomic space was created from the first particles, it is talking about the first expansion of the universe when its shape was being created). Then Allah created the fish (Nun, outer space) and the earth was spread out (placed) upon it’s back. The Fish became agitated (the force of gravity was increased because of Earths Mass and applied pressure upon the planet) with the result that the earth was shaken up (had earth quacks when it first formed). It was steadied by means of mountains (which formed), for they indeed proudly (tower) over the earth. (Some types of mountains act as pegs in the earth’s crust stabilising it). Ibn Abbas then recited “Nun by the pen and what they write” (68:1), (History of Tabari vol.1).
This is one of the secrets of Tafsir, Allah used the Egyptian word Nun for subatomic space because Allah’s words are elevated above all words and this was the most elevated use of the word in existence by the time of the Quran’s revelation.
In order to connect His reality and words with us Allah used the most elevated and spiritually relevant words that can reach us, this is one of the reasons why Allah chooses specific subjects, people and language in the Quran, another is because that person or event being mentioned reached the zenith of that subject in either Ihsan or fitnah.
The words and knowledge of Allah are not created but clearly the subjects in the Quran are, so there is a hierarchy that exists in the Quran regarding the origin of its subjects and why they are included above all others, the use of the word Nun from the Egyptian people establishes their superiority in this subject.
Another secret of Tafsir is the fact everything Allah mentions in the Quran takes spiritual priority over the rest of creation because these are His words that have been with Him from eternity, Allah’s knowledge neither increase or decreases, therefor whatever is in the Quran takes precedent in its primacy over everything else.
We are experiencing the Time that He knows is going to occur, Allah is allowing the life He knows to play out, that includes the events He knows will change peoples fate, His knowledge of the outcome is not fate, fate is what is decided based upon the laws of the universe so the two are removed from affecting each other, and Allah has written in the Universe that Dua (prayer) can change fate.
What Allah is doing is not allowing an endless loop of hypothetical events to exist because that is chaos, He stops what can exist at outcomes based upon your actions and gives you a real chance to decide your future or change what He knows of you based on the laws of the universe, He does not entertain hypothetical events that have no “literal” impact on Haq (fairness and reality) if you want something to exist work for it and that is reality and your fate.
This is why Allah has made Himself seem removed from your life so there is a separation between His knowledge of outcomes and your freedom in the sandbox you live in. With the presence of Allah in your life their responsibility to His reality, we see this in the lives of the prophets and saints (as).
The reality of Allah is that He is closer to you than your own Jugular vein but you are not aware of it: “And We have already created man and know what his soul whispers to him, and We are closer to him than [his] jugular vein.” (50:16)
The prophet Idris (as) was the first-person Allah took on a Miraj of the universe and explained to Him (as) the role of everything celestial.
Before Idris (as) man did not have any concept of outer space, its expanse, let alone the objects in it, they did not even have the language to describe it, the prophet Idris (as) was the first to described space when he spoke about it and black holes in The Book Of Enoch which are his teachings to his son:
Idris (as) said “A place beyond the great earth where the heavens come together (come together means there is no separation of man’s view, like between our sky and space, the heavens are endless here), and I saw a deep pit (the black hole) with heavenly fire on its pillars (when a black hole swallows a star it creates Jets of “fire” or energy from the breakup of atoms like huge pillars much greater than the black hole in size, on each side of it, there are many images of this) and i saw inside them descending pillars of fire (jets on both sides) that where immeasurable in respect of altitude and depth, on top of that pit (in the background) i saw a place without the heavenly firmament above it or earthly foundation under it (endless space), or water (ocean), there was nothing on it not even birds but it was a desolate and terrible place and i saw there the seven stars which were like great burning mountains (encircling it, trapped, about to enter the black hole) then the Angels said to me this place is the ultimate end of heaven and earth it is the prison house for the stars (a description of stars being trapped, the force is a prison) and the powers of heaven and the stars which role over upon the fire (fall into it) they are the ones which have transgressed the commandments of God from the beginning of their rising (they followed a wrong trajectory in space destined to doom them in the black hole from the beginning of the Universe) because they did not arrive punctually (they followed a delayed path) and He was wrath with them and He bound them until the time of the completion of their sin (fault) in the year of mystery (an unknown number of years ago).”
This is space being described in the language of people before the flood of Nuh (as), after Idris (as) passed away and after He (as) taught the world the role and power of the celestial bodies people came to worship them as gods through their own degenerate philosophies.
Another work attributed to Idris (as) is the famous Corpus Hermeticum which dates to the 3rd century AD Egypt that is Egypt 300 years after Jesus and around the same time the modern bible was being compiled by the Romans who had just converted to Christianity.
There is no doubt this is not the work of Idris (as) because the author does not speak like a prophet which we see clearly from The Book Of Enoch in which the language of Enoch and the prayers there in are almost identical to the language and prayers of the prophet Muhammad (saws) whose language and prayers also mimic those of Musa (as) and other prophets, this is because they were all taught similar things the same God.
But this work, at length does contain the words of god directly, like a hadith Qudsi but the language is of a man explaining things and justifying them with logic like the Greeks which is not the way of prophets, this is because it relies on actual revelation from elsewhere.
There is overall value in the work because it explains the Egyptian understanding of the universe (which translators of Hieroglyphs have failed to grasp since none of them are physicists or cosmologists), and because of their sources are accurate to anyone who understands physics and what the universe is made of.
This is rather the work of a priest of Egypt in the same vein as priests before him, most likely mixing Christian doctrine, which had become famous by now, with Egyptian doctrine and with the words of Idris, from the Book Of Enoch as well as Egyptian sources.
You will find like in the book of Enoch this work too is addressed to Enoch’s son and contains similar subjects, which most likely survived amongst these people, this is why the work contains some powerful truths such as the following about the nature of Allah not being made of any substance, a statement unique to Islam and the prophets of Allah;
“If, then, space be some godlike thing, it is substantial; but if ’tis God [Himself], it transcends substance. But it is to be thought of (as) otherwise [than God], and in this way (space is made of substance).
God is first “thinkable” for us, not for Himself (we don’t see Allah the way He sees Himself), for that the thing that’s thought (bound by man’s capacity) doth fall beneath the thinker’s sense (imagination and its limits). God then cannot be “thinkable” unto Himself (limited by the act of thinking because it relies on the physiology that creates it), in that He’s thought of by Himself as being nothing else but what He thinks (the limits of thought and its nature). But he is “something else” for us, and so He’s thought of (considered / calculated / measured) by us.” (Man requires the intellect to know, but Allah already knows and does not need to go through a process of thought to know, so the act of thinking is something for created things and not Allah).
“Naught is as His likeness; and He is the Hearer, the Seer.” (42:11) “nothing” also means in what makes humans work, that includes the way they think Allah does not need the process of thought to arrive at answers this is the nature of not needing time to exist.
Because of how “god” addresses Himself in this work it is the reason why it cannot be the work of a prophet, rather it is the work of someone highly developed in his understanding taking from multiple sources and expounding his understanding of them, consider the time period and that greek logic did not exist until after the Greeks. It is a work that relies on the knowledge of prophets who first understood these things and spoke about them, Islam is filled with such statements, which the mind cannot arrive at through philosophy and imagination but Maarifah (experience) of the subject of Allah, which only the pure can understand;
“In a Book well-guarded, None can grasp it except those pure.” (56:78-79)
The first chapter of the work is supposedly god speaking to Idris (as) (this author rather), its fabrication is obvious from the language and use of imagination to fill a story it is written by a person familiar with Jinn who is describing that experience and disguising it as prophecy rather than a prophet being guided by an Angel which is entirely another thing, in the second chapter which the above passage comes from, and is clearly copied from elsewhere since the language changes, it is Idris (as) teaching another person His (as) wisdom is clear and stands out.
In The Book Of Enoch it was the Angels that primarily taught Idris (as) about the universe not Allah, a distinction all of these priests failed to make when compiling their fabrications, so they inserted dialogues between Idris (as) and God, and what their minds conceived made clear their fabrication since they fell short of the words of God.
The Corpus Hermeticus reads like a tafsir of a subject, a secondary work, and not a primary one, which is why you see excessive scientific explanations to justify points and formulas of logic closer to greek arguments that did not exist in the time of Idris (before 10,000BC) whose language in the Book of Enoch is pure and simple by contrast because that was the state of man back then.
Language from the time of Adam (as) first had simplicity and depth, as time passed understanding of that depth was lost so complex arguments arose to prove the existence of that depth, we see this in the Book of Enoch which clearly dates back to that period, less the mistakes of translators.
Just as the later priests of Egypt manufactured the Corpus Hermeticum to compete with the new religion of Christianity its language and arguments dating to this period, if the story is to be believed the first priest of Egypt Thoth who is often confused with Hermes, began this sunnah of compiling “holy works”, he manufactured His works by combining knowledge from various sources, when He finally educated the “primitive natives” and established the Egyptian civilisation they began to see through his deception, eventually like any ruler loosing grip on his people with no hope of re-establishing it, He decided to simply leave them and never return, such was his recorded fate.
We know He used religion for power and to inspire awe because He claimed to be 16,000 years old, no doubt after He began to age among the people he now ruled with these lies, He could not find another lie to explain his aging, so He left.